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Love's Symbol is Heart, Hate's Symbol is... ?

Journal Entry: Mon Feb 18, 2013, 6:39 PM
As I am writing my novel, I came across this interesting subject.  (And before any of you ask, yes I am still trying to write TDBG's next chapter.  I haven't given up on it, I still will give you the two chapters on it.  I'm just on a roll with my novel, and I want to get the next chapter finished before I lose my train of thought on it; it's a rather intense chapter.)

In my novel, without disclosing much, there is a group of people who are a destructive force in the post-apocalyptic world.  Their goals don't seem to be for survival or power, but cruelty and sadism.  I was thinking about what kind of symbol would be right, for a group that represents hate.

Now as the journal title points out, love's symbol is the heart.  :heart:  Anyone would say that.  If you asked someone what symbol represents love, 99.9% would say a heart.  But the problem is, for the opposite, hate, there isn't a very clear symbol to represent it.

I thought of some.  A broken heart usually represents sadness, not hate.  Skull and crossbones are more to symbolize death and danger (hazardous chemicals have skulls on them to warn about death, not hate).  A red X is usually for warding off something, not hate.

To me, there's two I can think of, but they don't fall within common symbols.  They are more a representation of someone, even if today we see that group of people as hateful.  Though it more falls into the fact that they are seen as evil, and while hate is an ugly thing, hate doesn't always walk hand-in-hand with evil.  (We hate diseases, we hate natural disasters, we hate spelling errors, but none of those are evil.)

My personal thoughts of what comes to mind as symbols of hate are the Nazi's Swastika, and the KKK's hood.  The former is universal, everyone knows the Nazis, and everyone sees the Swastika as a symbol of hate, evil, and cruelty.  It's the first symbol that comes to mind to people I ask.
The KKK are more so American history, a vile group of racist white supremacists who attacked politicians, those of different colors and religions, and others they deemed lesser than them.  I know some of my Canadian friends don't know about them as much, so it's not so much a universal symbol; it's still one of the ugliest symbols of hate I can think of, those white pointed hoods that represent a group motivated solely on hate.

So to ask all of you, as unusually serious as I am now...

What would be a commonly perceived symbol of hate to you?

I appreciate hearing from you all.  Hope to get some good replies!  :D

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rphb Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
spade, the symbol of hate is a spade.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Student Writer
I heard that.  That's not bad to know, but for my novel, I am thinking of something a little more simplistic, but I'll remember it.  ;)
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rphb Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013
What's more simple for hate then a black upsidedown heart?
The only other symbol of hate I can think of is a purple unicorn with wings
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Writer
Aww... don't say that, you'll make Twilight cry.  :(
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rphb Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
that would bring me nothing but pleasure.
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StrayPhoenix Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Student Writer
I would say the symbol of anarchy would be a universally recognized symbol of hate [link]
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Student Writer
Ooo, good one! Thank you! :D
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StrayPhoenix Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Student Writer
Always here to help ;)
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Binste Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013
Hey just wondering do you have a prediction of when your novel may be complete/released?
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student Writer
No predictions now, sadly.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
A black heart or a heart with daggers through it works for me.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Student Writer
The former would make me think of evil, the latter of violence. Though hate does walk hand in hand enough with those, doesn't it? ;)
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I suppose so.

If you really need inspiration, I suggest you watch The Road Warrior and look at the Marauders in that film for inspiration.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Student Writer
I thought of that, but I really wanted to go for something original. Seeing too many examples might make me have accidentally emulate them rather than make my own. :P
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
There's not much you can do with the idea of raiders and marauders. They're like Dwarves, every one is the same as every other.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Student Writer
You're pretty right there! [link]
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Winter-Rae Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
Canadians aren't dumb, of course we know about the KKK.
Ask most Canadians and at the worst they would have minimal knowledge of them.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Writer
I never implied you all were dumb! =P

But I have had some reviewers from Canada ask who the KKK are, after the joke I did in TDC. And it's not just Canada, other countries out there might not be familiar with the KKK. They might know about them, but things like what they wore could be something they didn't know. It's not dumb, just not knowing; like I am very ignorant of Canadian history. :P

I hope I didn't offend you.
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fanwriter Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
White Heart with a knife. White being purity, the place where the knife cuts red...and well the umm...runoff being black.

A stone heart is another one...

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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Writer
That... sounds hateful and tragic at the same time. Normally, I'd think that is a symbol for violence, or death of innocence. But it does personify cruelty.

Stone heart, that's good too. :)
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fanwriter Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
Exactly. The stronger the symbol the more impact. I mean look at Hunger Games...I find the idea of the whole thing disturbing.

Anyway some of the most tragic book characters like Severus Snape for example started off hopeful and optimistic for things to be better. It was sadistic bullies likes James Potter who started the first cut of cruelity and kept digging in darkening his heart....and ironically James sadistic is considered the GOOD guy.

I mean seriously Harry's mom either had love potions fed to her constantly or the level of stupidity around her dumbed her reasonings and her goals in life turned from world changer to James Potter's wife and stay at home mom...I mean that jerk costantly belittled,embarrassed, hexed and stole Severus's newly created spells which he claimed for his own, etc. She had to be under some kind of spell...

It's no wonder Snape went dark and it's a miracle he survived through all he did. But to do so his white heart had to turn black to turn back to grey.

But I guess that's why a stone heart is also good...cause if you harden your heart you won't feel anything but hate and anger.

Does that make sense?
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Student Writer
Personally, I think James was a jerk, yes. But I think he got better. Like one of those jerkasses that realizes they become a jerkass, and changes their life.

It's actually amazing, but there's a lot of cops, a couple I've met, who were real problem creators when they were young. But when they realized they were being little creeps, they changed and made their lives about being a good person, helping others, and doing a good job.

I mean, James was a prick as a teen, but I imagine many years later, he could change. I don't remember the details, but I don't think they married right after Hogwarts. And also, wasn't Lily an Auror too? She wasn't stay-at-home mom, she was a strong spell caster on her part.

I think James and Severus had similar issues. They were both bad boys when teens. Only James matured, Severus remained petty. Lily was infuriated with both and yet gave them both chances, but in the end, James took the better route. That's how I see it. That's my headcannon. :D

And it makes sense. A stone heart would be the perfect metaphor for hatred and amoral attitude. But you'd have to do it in detail so people wouldn't mistake it. :)
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GunMasterG3 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm gonna say either Fire or Blood... you know cause those things are usually associated or used in hateful acts.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Writer
Fire isn't bad, but blood usually is a symbol of violence or life (the latter in terms of Red Cross). :)
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GunMasterG3 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Good point, I still say Fire though.
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bad-asp Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I was just thinking the swastika too would be a universal hate symbol.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Writer
Hate and evil, yep.
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TDICharlieBrown Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
How about the Drawn Together logo? That's enough to ignite pure hatred in me. lol.

Seriously though, I did a google search of logos that represent the image of hell as it sounds like this is a group of people that are bent on inflicting as much harm and malicious hurt on the world as much as possible and are enjoying it (Are you sure they're not the cast of Drawn Together?) so that sounds like a group of Satanic followers to me, or a group of people that are actually looking forward to going to hell (Serious nut jobs too... I'm getting the creeps just writing about them right now).

Anyways, one symbol I came up with was a red circle with a flame like shape in it, so maybe because hate is a very destructive emotion and they have an urge/love of seeing everything around them destroyed, their symbol could be something related to fire as fire is an element of destruction. Hope this helps.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
Kind of like in cartoons and animé, when someone is pissed out of their minds, there is fire in their eyes. That may be a bit cartoony, but if done perfectly, that'd be perfect! :D :D :hug:

Dude... you looked up pictures of hell? For me? Seriously, you're too awesome. I'm gonna go reread Codette World Tour just so I can bask in your awesomeness! (I've been meaning to do that since that amazing commission I saw of your story! :D )

You're mostly right about the gang, but they're not Satanists. Even though this'll make them sound like so much of a lesser threat, think of a collection of the worst on the internet: sadistic posters, hackers, virus creators, online predators. People who, even if some would dismiss them as trolls, you just know are messed up in real life. The kind of people who "jokingly" link porn on kids' sites and message boards. The kind that make viruses solely for the sake of ruining random peoples' computers. The kind of people that enjoy hurting others as much as they can, minor or major, online.

Now imagine if the world went to hell because of, well, a zombie apocalypse. These people, who enjoy being sadistic, who are cruel and mean-spirited and full of self-loathing, the kind that gleefully watch Drawn Together because they find it FUNNY when people do the most violent and disturbing things possible for a laugh, these kinds of people survived. They obviously don't have the mental stability to survive in the long run. So what do they do? They use their hatred and anger to hurt others as much as they can, even if there is no one there... but when there is, it's evil.

That's kind of why I was thinking of this. I was imagining what a symbol of the opposite of love is, because even if they're enjoying this, it's not love driving them, it's hate.

I really like your fire idea (and you know, Kratos has a LOT of fire in all of his attacks, and he is driven by revenge and hatred). Fire is an element that does show off destruction, but it also portrays hate. The fires of ire, red-hot blood in your veins, how you see red and feel like your mind is burning.

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This is depressing. Let's have a Pinkie Pie to cheer up.

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TDICharlieBrown Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
:icongromitplz: :iconwallace-plz: Lovely idea chap! But only if we get have some cheese to go with it if you please.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
*wiggles my hands like Wallace does*

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TDICharlieBrown Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
And pain and suffering too. Fire is an element of destruction, pain, and suffering. (Again I must ask: are you POSITIVE the cast of Drawn Together isn't in your novel?)
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JoeMerl Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
I assume this is supposed to be the symbol that they use to represent themselves; if so, look at the question from their perspective. If they are a decidedly neo-Nazi group, using a swastika would be totally appropriate. But unless they actually consider themselves "a group that represents hate," they're not likely to pick a "hateful" symbol. What do they think represents them? Their choice could run the gamut from totally ironic (like an angel if they're tied to religion somehow) to morally ambiguous (an animal like a wolf, which can be taken to be noble or vicious).

Just some thoughts, hope this helps.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
Very cool post, dude. Definitely helped me think about these things. :D

This group isn't religious, Neo-Nazi, or morally ambiguous. They saw the world go to hell, and, in their opinion, that's just fine with them. So they're taking full advantage of a world that they hated being gone, and doing everything they want to, as immoral and awful as they can think of. It's their way of "getting back" at the world, and thus to them, they're representing hatred, the hate they felt. They're not acting 100% enraged and angry, they're sadistic and gleefully so at times, but their main motivation is revenge and hate.

Think of it like how some criminals and gangs make comments that "society treated them bad," but if you looked at their history, the only ones they have to blame is themselves. They're so fueled on self-righteous hatred, they believe everything they do is fine because their hate justifies them. It's like how the KKK worked, they let hate and self-appointed, upstart attitudes take their prejudices too far.

Or, to put it simply, it's like how people can have "I :heart: Cats!" shirts, but there is no symbol for hate to replace the heart. =P
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JoeMerl Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
The best I can come up with for that is an anarchy symbol, but that risks being a gross simplification of Anarchism as a political philosophy. Do they necessarily need a symbol, if they're devoted more to revenge than to any particular ideology? Maybe something that just represents strength or survival, given the Apocalyptic setting?

Or a Kitler. That's about the best symbol of apathetic evil that I can think of. :XD:
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
While it does relate to my novel, I was asking mostly for the sake of theory on what a symbol of hate would be. I fear I may give away too much about my novel if I go into it. Oh well. :D

A symbol might be nice, since they have a base of operations and motorcycles. The reason why their theme is hatred is because their attitude in this new world is "F U." Reason be damned, they're going to everything they can that's mean-spirited, cruel, and evil, because they want to inflict their hatred (it's one of those things immature people do, wreck their lives because they believe it will hurt their peers/parents/etc.). They don't really care about strength or survival, since their actions are so much about living the moment and being sadistic, that they do things that would hurt their chances of survival (destroying supplies just to destroy them, to prove they are cruel).

To put it bluntly, what would happen if there was a group of young men who didn't really give a damn about survival in the long run, they were just a spiteful bunch of pricks who believed the world was now their punching bag for all their frustrations. Now they're loose, and there is barely any logic behind their methods, except that they're angry, cruel boys who will do anything sadistic they can think of, out of hatred and rage at a seemingly faceless "man" that is everywhere in their eyes?

(It's kind of a message about people who like to hurt everyone they can just to be cruel. Like people who put up porn on children's websites and message boards, hackers who make viruses that are just to damage computers of innocent users, people who drink and drive again and again AND AGAIN. To me, there's a kind of people who are filled with anger and hate, that is mostly, if not entirely, self-created and self-appointed. They may have had problems, but hey, who doesn't?)
Wow... I sure have gone on, haven't I? :P

Kitlers! That is just so... hilariously WRONG! :rofl:
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JoeMerl Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Writer
Hmm...well, I don't see people with an "F U" philosophy as having a symbol. Unless it was just the letters "F U." Or maybe a death's head just because "hey, we're like pirates with motorcycles."

As for a general symbol of hate...other than swastika I can't think of much. (And heck, that doesn't even work outside of the West---it's a variant of a religious symbol in Asia.)
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MasterMitosi Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I prefer the Spade. In Homestuck, it basically says "I hate you so much, but I want to f*ck you just as much!"
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
Enemy Mine territory, eh? =P

The Spade, though? As in the symbol on playing cards? Is that what it was supposed to symbolize? Really?
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MasterMitosi Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To the extreme. Esentially Hate Sex.

Yeah... in Homestuck anyway, and it's the opposite suit of the Heart, so....
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
Wait, sorry. So is that officially what the Spade stands for? Or is that what it means in Homestuck only?
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MasterMitosi Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Just in Homestuck only. Officially, there is no symbol that means pure undiluted hate.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Student Writer
I guess to me, that's a good thing in the long run. Mankind made a symbol for love, but never made one for hate. :D
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MasterMitosi Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. Not even a swastika counts, since it was originally a symbol of peace or for Thor. But I personally just go with a spade.
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ProfessorRatiganFan Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Don't use the swastika symbol; one of my grandparents had to leave Germany because of those damn Nazis and that sign is a sure fire way to piss me off.

Personally I'd go with a picture of a middle finger; flipping someone off can mean you hate them and it's not as offensive as making references to the Nazis or the KKK.
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
Use it? I was more so thinking of just what is perceived as a symbol of hate, not something to use. After all, the hateful group of people I am writing about in my novel probably wouldn't use someone else's symbol.

So I'm not USING a symbol, but it does prove my point that the swastika truly is a symbol of hate. Though I like your middle finger, that's definitely bad too. But that's more American than most; in Britain, it's a backwards two-finger salute, and in some countries, the thumbs-up is inflammatory. It gets confusing. :P
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ProfessorRatiganFan Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh sorry; I got a bit confused.

Thanks! And huh, that's interesting!
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TheKoboldNecromancer Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Writer
Yeah, I'm not borrowing a symbol. It's like... you can have a shirt that says "I :heart: cats!" But there is no "I *hate symbol* cats." :P
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